Product Ranker Panini, Topps

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We have been doing breaks for quite some time now and have also been collecting for 30 years. I have a question because even I am not sure anymore of the answers.
Can someone on here post how you would rank Panini and Topps Football 2013 products from lowest end to high end. Example Topps Regular, then starts, chrome, finest....Or whatever.

I would love to see everyones thoughts on both Topps and Panini

[hayn]

I started to collect football cards in December of 2012. As an amatuer I will do my best, here is the list.

(Topps)

Topps Regular & Bowman
Topps Archive
Topps Magic
Topps Strata
Topps Chrome
Topps Prime
Topps Platinum
Topps Finest
Topps Turkey Red
Topps Inception
Topps Valor
Topps Supreme
Topps Triple Threads
Topps Five Star & Bowman Sterling
Topps Museum Collection

(Panini)

Panini Score
Panini Gridiron
Panini R&S
Panini Prestige
Panini Elite
Panini Certified
Panini Contenders
Panini Prizm
Panini Select
Panini Prime Signatures
Panini Prominence
Panini Limited
Panini Absolute
Panini Crown Royale
Panini Totally Certified
Panini Momentum
Panini Playbook
Panini Black
Panini National Treasures

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Thanks My issue is usually in the middle between magic and finest for Topps
and for Panini between Certified and Totally Certified.

The middle lines in both companies are all so close. For instance some higher ranking products have sticker autos where some lower ranking ones have on card....

Thanks for putting the time in on that post.

[hayn]

I feel that Finest is a much more superior product then Magic. Magic has the history backing it up to vintage cards.

As for Certified vs Totally Certified, Totally Certifed out performs Certified as far as hits, detailed design, card stock, graphics, and a very strong secondary market. Like Magic, Certified has a long standing issue and a storied history for collectors.

[hayn]

Thanks My issue is usually in the middle between magic and finest for Topps
and for Panini between Certified and Totally Certified.

The middle lines in both companies are all so close. For instance some higher ranking products have sticker autos where some lower ranking ones have on card....

Thanks for putting the time in on that post.

Yes, there are so many factors involved as you mentioned sticker autos vs on card autos. 2012 Panini Black has a mix of this. I'm biased in Black due to the fact that Mrs. Toshi pulled a Luck a on card gold auto jersey. In the end it's really up to each individual collector in regards to one big issue, cost.

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I agree completely.
The biggest issue I have with Black much like 5 Star and National Treasures is grade ability.
Its too bad they can't come up with a better finish on BLACK that would avoid the inevitable white scuffs.

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Thanks My issue is usually in the middle between magic and finest for Topps
and for Panini between Certified and Totally Certified.

The middle lines in both companies are all so close. For instance some higher ranking products have sticker autos where some lower ranking ones have on card....

Thanks for putting the time in on that post.

What I do like about Certified is there is no rookie base cards. everything is at least numbered to 999. There is a good value there for set collectors at that price point.

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I think Toshi's pretty spot on for Topps. I'd change some for Panini though:

Panini Score
Panini Gridiron
Panini R&S
Panini Prestige
Panini Certified
Panini Momentum
Panini Elite
Panini Prizm
Panini Prominence
Panini Select
Panini Prime Sigs
Panini Crown Royale
Panini Totally Cert
Panini Absolute
Panini Contenders
Panini Black
Panini Playbook
Panini National Treasures

I normally buy from Prestige up through Totally Certified & the last two years, I've splurged on Contenders(hadn't been a fan in the past but the last two years have been fantastic IMO). I haven't bought anything really this year because everything I normally buy has become VERY generic. I feel like Panini has cut A LOT of corners this year to push out more product. They took away the characteristics that made each product unique(removing the Phenoms die cut in Limited, Rookie die cut in TC, etc.) Everything is extremely cookie cutter & it turned me off on busting boxes. Certified has always been one of my favorite products & I skipped it totally this year. FOTG looks like Freshman Fabric & that looks like the totally certified hits which look like momentum. Select looks like Prizm which looks like Chrome, etc. The innovative products that have come out the last two years(strata clear cut relics, Playbook, black) are over done this year with too many parallels that make what was unique now plain and over done. Sticker autos don't bother me as long as the auto stays on the sticker but that's technically up to the player.

this won't happen, but i'd like to see both companies cut back & maybe do one a couple sets in each price point. It wouldn't flood the market so bad & allow people to have some fun chasing down cards they need. This is how I'd do it:
Topps
Low End:
Topps base
Topps Magic or Strata

Mid End:
Chrome
Platinum
Inception

High End:
5 Star
Finest
Triple Threads

Panini:
low
Prestige
Score-maybe
Certified

mid:
Crown Royale
Limited-old design, not the crap from this year
Totally Certified

High
Contenders
Black or Playbook(or combine them!)
Nat Treasures

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I think Toshi's pretty spot on for Topps. I'd change some for Panini though:

Panini Score
Panini Gridiron
Panini R&S
Panini Prestige
Panini Certified
Panini Momentum
Panini Elite
Panini Prizm
Panini Prominence
Panini Select
Panini Prime Sigs
Panini Crown Royale
Panini Totally Cert
Panini Absolute
Panini Contenders
Panini Black
Panini Playbook
Panini National Treasures

I normally buy from Prestige up through Totally Certified & the last two years, I've splurged on Contenders(hadn't been a fan in the past but the last two years have been fantastic IMO). I haven't bought anything really this year because everything I normally buy has become VERY generic. I feel like Panini has cut A LOT of corners this year to push out more product. They took away the characteristics that made each product unique(removing the Phenoms die cut in Limited, Rookie die cut in TC, etc.) Everything is extremely cookie cutter & it turned me off on busting boxes. Certified has always been one of my favorite products & I skipped it totally this year. FOTG looks like Freshman Fabric & that looks like the totally certified hits which look like momentum. Select looks like Prizm which looks like Chrome, etc. The innovative products that have come out the last two years(strata clear cut relics, Playbook, black) are over done this year with too many parallels that make what was unique now plain and over done. Sticker autos don't bother me as long as the auto stays on the sticker but that's technically up to the player.

this won't happen, but i'd like to see both companies cut back & maybe do one a couple sets in each price point. It wouldn't flood the market so bad & allow people to have some fun chasing down cards they need. This is how I'd do it:
Topps
Low End:
Topps base
Topps Magic or Strata

Mid End:
Chrome
Platinum
Inception

High End:
5 Star
Finest
Triple Threads

Panini:
low
Prestige
Score-maybe
Certified

mid:
Crown Royale
Limited-old design, not the crap from this year
Totally Certified

High
Contenders
Black or Playbook(or combine them!)
Nat Treasures

With Panini I just can't bring myself to put contenders up there as a high end. No patches or extremely unique cards. Just variable finishes on practically the same card and short prints. Obviously the rookie values are good in the product. But to me its no better than totally certified. Definitely pull much more unique cards out of a lot of other things.

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Its nice to see everyone opinions on product quality. I have been breaking combos of lets say 1 box prizm 1 box momentum. They make for really fun breaks. I was looking to get the general opinion on product rankings so that I could mix and match these breaks better.