Ravens Mason Calls Peyton NFL's Best Player "Hands Down"

[snick103]

like I said before he had one of the best WR in football Randy Moss and couldnt win with him. I agree I think it was the others on the team he just had to manage the team...

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[wheeler281]

One of the best wr's past his prime maybe lol...

However he won 4 with scrubs wideouts so that hold no water

9-10 enough said. Manning one of the biggest underachievers in football with 2 great receivers his whole career and one of the best TE's ever .

[snick103]

Past his prime you say, funny he broke records that year lol...Underachievers serious? He will go down as one of the best Quarterbacks of all time

One of the best wr's past his prime maybe lol...

However he won 4 with scrubs wideouts so that hold no water

9-10 enough said. Manning one of the biggest underachievers in football with 2 great receivers his whole career and one of the best TE's ever .

[wheeler281]

sorry meant post season underachiever putting the comment after his 9-10 record in post season with the 2 great recievers and one of the best te's I thought it was obvious

Meanhwile Brady winning 4 trophies with the Troy Browns of the world

[Ground Support]

Exactly.

9-10 and 1 Superbowl?

or

14-5 and 3 superbowls?

Pretty easy to me.

[snick103]

Dont disagree with you Brady did win 4 trophies; however it was mainly because of the team effort and cheating imo. The thing with Manning is you remove him they go 3-13. Tom Brady is down they still go 11-5 its the cheating Belichick that gets it done and you throw a good QB in there like Brady and well you get 4 trophies plain and simple. The Colts were never considered cheaters, NE has on many occasions.

Let me just say this I would much rather have 1 Trophy and won it legitimate rather than have 4 in question due to cheating a

sorry meant post season underachiever putting the comment after his 9-10 record in post season with the 2 great recievers and one of the best te's I thought it was obvious

Meanhwile Brady winning 4 trophies with the Troy Browns of the world

[Ground Support]

Dont disagree with you Brady did win 4 trophies; however it was mainly because of the team effort and cheating imo. The thing with Manning is you remove him they go 3-13. Tom Brady is down they still go 11-5 its the cheating Belichick that gets it done and you throw a good QB in there like Brady and well you get 4 trophies plain and simple. The Colts were never considered cheaters, NE has on many occasions.

Let me just say this I would much rather have 1 Trophy and won it legitimate rather than have 4 in question due to cheating a

lmao!

Even if the Patriots did "know" all the other offensive plays for the other team, how does effect Tom Brady and his stats? Does that take away from Tom Brady have the greatest single season at for any QB ever? What about his 36-4 TD to INT ratio last year to Manning's 33-17... I guess Belichick called the other team before kickoff and asked them to let Brady have his way with them..

And if they were cheating as bad as you were saying, they would have stripped their Titles away. Guess what? They didn't. They still won. They still have all their rings, and they still have the best QB of this era.

[wheeler281]

the whole "cheating" thing is an excuse. If anyone should be outraged it should be me for they beat the Steelers in 2 afc championships during that time frame...

All teams do that in some form... The Steelers lost because of Brady period. Not because of some stinking film...That by the way did nothing to help the offense. The filming was strictly to help the defense if anything. Brady beat the steelers dwith scrubs and peyton could nto beat the steelers with Wayne, Harrison and Clarke. Reason manning choked because you can get in his head.

[wheeler281]

I will say this snick I definitly can see where you are coming from. A ton have that view, Thats what makes football go round and round lol

[snick103]

It affects him alot, lets say you have a team taken out of there game by stealing their plays and oh btw it was not just offensive plays it was defensive as well, but anyways it gives the Off and Def a very good advantage because they are free to go for extra stuff because they know you can clamp down the Def/Off

LOL it didnt matter about Brady or Manning stats last year they both lost their first game in the playoffs to the Jets

lmao!

Even if the Patriots did "know" all the other offensive plays for the other team, how does effect Tom Brady and his stats? Does that take away from Tom Brady have the greatest single season at for any QB ever? What about his 36-4 TD to INT ratio last year to Manning's 33-17... I guess Belichick called the other team before kickoff and asked them to let Brady have his way with them..

And if they were cheating as bad as you were saying, they would have stripped their Titles away. Guess what? They didn't. They still won. They still have all their rings, and they still have the best QB of this era.

[ejiminee]

Nice debate guys!

Did you check the poll?

Manning - 9
Brady - 6

I think they're both great and have enjoyed reading all of these comments.

Thanks

[wheeler281]

Nice debate guys!

Did you check the poll?

Manning - 9
Brady - 6

I think they're both great and have enjoyed reading all of these comments.

Thanks

yeah the poll should have included none of the above for as previous stated IMHO they are both long in the tooth

[SellingAllCards]

yeah the poll should have included none of the above for as previous stated IMHO they are both long in the tooth

Then start a under 30 best QB Poll

[SellingAllCards]

Sick of everyone saying Brady played with noone on his teams and they were all scrubs.
C.Dillon
R.Moss
W.Welker
T.Bruschi
J.Seau
T.Law
A.Samuel
W.McGinest
D.Branch
R.Gronkowski
A.Hernandez
V.Wilfork
M.Vrabel
R.Seymour
F.Taylor
T.Brown
L.Milloy
T.Glen
D.McCourty
J.Meyo

find me this many pro bowlers/award winners for colts

[snick103]

Then start a under 30 best QB Poll

agreed def